I'm in need of some input from my fellow bottle slingers out there. Some of you know me and are aware that I became a Somm after a long Army career. I've decided recently that it's time to use those education benefits and go to big kid school. My plan is to enter the SHA-CIA alliance program and earn both a culinary associates and a hospitality bachelors from the Hotel School. I've already been accepted to CIA and start in Hyde Park this October.
Now the quandry: I attended the Advanced course last year in Dallas and was passed over for the exam this year, so with only two years left on the clock I'm concerned about my chances of getting into the exam as a student and not working the working actively. Of course things like prep time, a week off from school for the exam and such things are a concern as well but I'm hoping some of you out there may have some insight.
Should I just bite the bullet and plan on having to retake the course? Pursue my wine studies on a less frantic road (WSET or such)? Going to school finally is a huge goal for me and I think the programs will make me a better Somm overall, but I'm not keen on losing what momentum I've built up in my career.
Thanks for any input and cheers.
firstly, thank you for your service. Second, having just returned from the course myself, the subject of the 3 year reset was addressed by Shayn. There isn’t one. At this time CMS isn’t prepared for resetting Advanced candidates. I would contact the court directly to ensure this for yourself but I’m positive you’ll find the same. Be well. Good luck. And congratulations...
I may be speaking out of complete ignorance hear but, I’ve never heard of a 3 year time period to sit the exam. I have heard that if you take the exam 3 consecutive times and do not pass you may have to retake the course but I have not personally heard or seen this in practice. To my knowledge, if you do not get selected to sit for the exam, no “strike” goes against you or any ticking “clock” has been started. You simply have not been selected to sit for the exam that year. So it sounds like you still have plenty of time to sit for the first time ....I’m in the same boat : ) just keep on plugging away on those books my friend.
Shawn and Troy,
Thanks to both of you for the responses. Maybe I did have my information confused, I was under the impression you had to sit the exam within 3 years following the course or be forced to retake it. If not then I suppose my worries are unfounded except for maintaining momentum whilst in school but it certainly removes some of the pressure to try and tackle it all at once. CIA, Cornell AND the Advanced Exam I feel are three demanding mistresses that would be hard to balance. Regardless I'll be doing my best to keep moving forward and if the opportunity presents itself to sit the exam then I'll go for it. Cheers
I believe, and I do not speak for the court, but I think the 3 year thing is you are supposed to sit for the exam within 3 years after taking the course. Then you have 3 times to pass the exam before the recommend you take the class again, but even that may be case by case.I attended the course in 2014, sat my first advanced in 2015, skipped 2016, sat again in 2017 (came close but did not pass) and I am sitting again next month here in 2018.So fret not. Keep studying and stay the course. Your time will come soon enough. Good Luck!
I appreciate the support. I plan to stay the course but I worry that my time will come when I'm precariously balancing school and family. This the life I suppose but continue I will.
I believe the "3 attempt" rule is for the exam itself. If someone does not pass it after 3 consecutive attempts, they must sit out a year. This applies to the Advanced Exam, as well as the Master's Theory portion. There may be a stipulation for the Advanced Course, too, but the aforementioned two are both true and have been enforced.
Do you have MS sponsors? I would reach out to them. Better yet, send an e-mail to Shayn and/or someone on the exam board and ask for advice. They are more than willing to help you.
Hey Ben I served from 07 to 11 and I got out and went to school for Restaurant Management at Rosen Hospitality School that's connected with UCF in Orlando Florida. I did the same thing you did but just the other way around and I got my intro while I was in school and then when I graduated I took my certified and passed. I will say this, it's possible for you to go for the advance while in school but it's going to based on the following 5 questions:
1) What GI Bill are you going to use? Post 9/11 or Pre 9/11 GI Bill (Both of them have positive and negatives about them but they are totally different)
2) Are you going to be working full time while in school?
3) When do you want to graduate?
4) Are you going to be full-time or part-time in school?
5) Will you be taking summer courses?
I don't think there's a timeline for the advance from what they were saying to us in Dallas. If there's not a timeline, you need to answer those 5 questions yourself and that will determine whether or not you should wait until after you graduate or do it while your going to school.
When we initially separated the Advanced Course from the Advanced Sommelier Examination, we instituted a policy that you must resit the course within three years if you don't pass the Examination. That policy has since been abandoned.