Lucky.. I would love to hear about your take on it...Like the real facts..my visit there was not planned out so well more of an afternoon impulse..I would like to thank the gentleman that directed me to the old vines though I didn't get his name..He was in his truck at their entrance gate.. which was apparently knocked down by a Big Rig overloaded with hay....Anyway it was a memorable nice warm late afternoon.. taking picture's of the Gnarled Old Vines across the street behind the production facility..I would have never found them without his tip..Cool Guy..